they make excuses for obama but they won't if it was mitt romney. it's not -- that is not the problem. i mean, this is not the first time that -- i can tell you from working in democratic politics and having worked in the clinton white house and so on that this is something that democratic women will complain about behind the scenes. if you look at pictures of president bush, condoleezzaa rice is always by his side. you look at picture after 9/11 it has karen hughes, mary madeline, condoleezzaa rice in the picture. bill clinton's inner circle were all men, mostly white men. and i think the issue is that if you're going to go out and claim that you are the part steve women, i mean give me a break. there is no women -- martha: i would just say at the end that to me i think that numbers are less important than actions. actions are always more powerful than words. it's who is in your inner circle? who do you trust and who do you choose to be by your side. >> that's exactly right, martha. martha: it's a reflection of everybody's qualification, whether th